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tropical storm-force winds created whiteout conditions. an inch of snow is expected and federal workers have an option to stay home to avoid the mess. all anyone wants to know is when this cold snap will end. i'm hoping it will end soon, jennifer. >> carol, it doesn't look like until next week. we'll see the temperatures warm back up but a lot of people are wondering what is causing this recent cold spell. we've been looking at things and it's called the arctic oscillation and here's the cold air and keep in mind when we're in a negative phase, the cold air basically spills down towards the southern parts and even spreads towards the northeast. when you're in a positive space, you're in a belt around the polar region and locks in that cold air. it's been spilling down towards the south. that's why we're negative and it looks like we could continue to
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see these arctic outbreaks as we go through the next few weeks ahead. you can still see below freezing in many parts, including minneapolis and green bay. temperatures are still going to be 10 to 20 degrees below average and, of course, still some windchill advisories out there. very cold. we need to make sure we're cautious and well-protected. >> thank you, jennifer. i'm carol costello. the next hour of newsroom starts right now with ashleigh banfield. >> thanks so much, carol. everybody talks about the weather, right, carol was just talking about it, jennifer was just talking about it. when the windchill hits 20 below or 30 below or 40 below, that's news and it hurts. it includes us, it includes just about everybody in the u.s. in fact, we're talking deep ice hitting the deep south. first, however, we're going to talk guns. because after tragedies and promises and debates and
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executive actions, the showdown on guns is really now about to begin. senator dianne feinstein is making good on her vow to take action. she's about to unveil her tough new bill. the provisions include bans on military-styled assault weapons to be defined in this bill as well. bans on semiautomatic rifles, handguns, and shotguns, a strengthening of the 1994 ban which, by the way, if you didn't know, senator feinstein authored the 1994 bill that expired in 2004. also, bans on magazines that hold more than ten rounds. again, those are just the highlights. there's plenty more, though. the senator's move follows president obama's push for much stronger gun control measures
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and, of course, new york state's new gun control law which is now the toughest in the nation and signed into law by andrew cuomo last month. we're covering all aspects of senator feinstein's new bill. dana bash has been following this. she's going to join our crime and justice correspondent. first to you, dana, on capitol hill, theatrics are often times discussed as part of the problem when discussing the military-style assault weapons in the first place and there will be no shortage of theatrics, right? >> that's right. you can see behind me what is going to happen. i counted ten assault weapons that are on display that they decided was critical to display because they want to make a point. they want to show these and to argue that these kinds of
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weapons are simply not needed in the hands of every day americans. you can probably see here, there are two lines of ropes. that is because it is not legal for these weapons -- never mind being in the united states capitol but also to be in the d.c. -- in d.c. it breaks the d.c. gun laws. so they got special permission from the d.c. police office and also from the capitol police and there are a lot of capitol police officers here. those are the rules to make sure the guns are back there and we are not allowed back there either. that really is the point that she is going to make. what's most interesting is that her aud yns, audience are conservative democrats who feel that banning these type of assault weapons, they don't want to do it. >> i'm glad that you pointed out that there was a special -- our colleague david gregory took it on the chin for having a
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high-powered magazine on his show. there is a significant reason why. when i said theatric, i meant it. critics of this kind of gun control law say it's because of the look. they look so incredibly menacing but are they any different that what is legal? sl there a lot of specificity about what kind of weapon will constitute an assault weapon? >> there are. in fact, i should tell you that i should probably stop talking because we expect senator feinstein and others. i'm going to sit down while i talk and tell you that the answer to that is there are 150 guns according to this sheet that we have on our sheet here. so they do try to be very specific. not only that, there is a provision that grandfathers in certain types of guns owned by
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individuals already. the other thing that this does, as you mentioned, it bans large capacity magazines and other ammunition holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. actually, you know what, here come the members of the press conference. there are lots -- representatives from all walks of life here and that was no accident. they worked very hard to get this together. you see a lot of police officers from all over the country. we expect to see the members of clergy as well in addition to members of congress. i see dianne feinstein. i can see her waiting in the wings. >> okay. i want to let dana put her mike on mute for a moment so we can be very clear here when we mention the word theatrics, look, oftentimes words and
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images constitute theatrics in order to highlight what a politician's standpoint is. the good senator is trying to make a point about what these look like. it's an image issue as opposed to a capacity issue but it's an issue that those who are concerned about this feel mare tore yous. let's listen as the senator takes the podium. let me bring in joe johns as we await. joe, listen, when we say very quickly that the provisions in this bill go farther than the 1994 ban, that raises hackles for a lot of people. give me a better indication of how you can go farther than 94. >> it's all about the characteristics that are banned. you are absolutely right.
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characteristics were banned in the '94 ban. basically, the gun couldn't have two things and if it had two things, it was designated as an assault weapon. this ban, we're told, is going to have a single characteristic ban. if there's any one of the things that makes it more military or dangerous in the view of the propo proposers, they will throw it it out. >> let's listen to senator dianne feinstein. >> together we are introducing legislation to help end the mass shootings that have devastated countless families and terrorized communities. today you will hear from some of my colleagues in the senate. senator dick durbin from illinois, the leadership on the democratic side. senator schumer who helped me in 1993 by headlining or i should
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say by leading in the house of representatives which was successful. senators richard blumenthal and chris murphy, distinguished senators from connecticut who know firsthand about assault weapons. you will also hear from congresswoman carolyn mccarthy from new york who knows firsthand the devastation of gun violence as well as congressman ed pearlmutter of colorado who represents aurora and congresswoman elizabeth esty who represents newtown. you will also here from mayor michael nutter, the distinguished mayor of philadelphia who leads the united states conference of lay y mayors. you will hear from commissioner ramsey, the police chiefs association who will speak about the display of weapons you see
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to my left. finally, we will hear from victims of recent mass shootings. i would also like to recognize other supporters who are here today. on the risers behind me, we have police officers from several department and i so thank you for joining us today. i would also like to recognize a million moms for gun control represented by mr. sandberg here today, doctors for america, the american academy of pediatrics and the american federation of teachers. now i'd like to introduce gary hall, dean of washington national cathedral to open this morning with a few remarks and a
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prayer. >> thank you, senator feinstein. it's an honor to be here with you and to share in the work that you and your colleagues and faiths united against gun violence are doing. i've spoken twice at washington national cathedral on gun violence and i've bun it in the pulpit and media and with faith leaders and with people in my own church. now we have come to the end of the part of our work and we are moving forward today with a tangible solution to the epidemic as we stand with senator feinstein and with her congressional colleagues as they introduce this assault weapons ban. as people of faith, we have the moral obligation to stand with and for the victims of gun violence and to work to end it. we have tolerated school shootings and mall shootings and theater shootings and sniper shootings and workplace shootings and temple and church shootings and urban neighborhood
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shootings for far too long. enough is enough. now, everyone in this city seems to live in terror of the gun lobby, but i believe that the gun lobby is no match for the cross lobby, especially when we stand together as people of all faiths across the religious landscape of america. i don't want to -- >> as we continue to listen in on this press conference, joe johns is still with us in our washington, d.c. bureau. you just heard it. people live in terror of the gun lobby, according to this minister. but joe, the gun lobby is very strong and represents a significant part of this country. what do you think or what are people saying the chances are of this kind of a bill, a ban on assault-style weapons, passing the house and even the democratic senate? >> very skeptical. democratic senate, let's start with that. dana can tell you better than i but she's busy right now, obviously. the problem in the senate is
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that there are a lot of democrat from republican leaning so-called red states that basically have to walk the plank to take that vote because they have so many sportsmen, hunters who use it for legitimate purposes who don't like the idea of a government trying to take their guns away. and then move over to house of representatives, it's controlled by republicans, unlike 1994 when the house was controlled by democrats and even then the gun ban passed on a very close vote. so this proposal, frankly, has a very tough road to hoe and it may be that if they put something out there and try to encourage people who support gun rights to go ahead and vote for it, they will end up with something that they can sell politically to the country even though it might not be able to get to the congress. people say go after the ammunition or go after stopping
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people who are mentally ill from getting guns, do some things that are a little bit easier to get agreement on. >> and the hollywood and gaming community as well, part of that basket of controversy. the good senator is speaking again. we have to fit in a quick break. joe, you can listen as well and dana is busy as she's in the front row. we'll bring you this later. back after this. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes. riding the dog like it's a small horse is frowned upon in this establishment! luckily though, ya know, i conceal this bad boy underneath my blanket just so i can get on e-trade. check my investment portfolio, research stocks... wait, why are you taking... oh, i see...solitary. just a man and his thoughts. and a smartphone... with an e-trade app.
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look at mount mansfield in vermont. and long lake, new york, all the way at the bottom with minus 22, it just seems unfair, don't it? and if you're in chicago, it's not great either. susan candiotti drew the short straw and there she is. listen, are you kidding me? this is new york city. it never looks like that. >> reporter: don't you love that? this has to be one of the most photographed fountains. how are you getting the crystals and the water is still running? there are heaters in the chamber below that fountain so that is what keeps the pipes warm and the water running and that's why you get the effect of water in
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the fountain still coming down but when this wind picks up, the crystals form and that's how you see this. the temperature right now in the city, around 20 degrees, but that windchill makes it feel like it's about 8 degrees right now. there are warming centers set up around new york city. the very young and old have some place to keep warm and that is a concern because, as you know, ashleigh, there have been at least three cold-related deaths around the country in a few states including illinois where a man was left unattended in his trailer died of hypothermia. this is serious business. >> you're not kidding. the cdc has statics on the number of americans who die because of cold weather. we have an average of 13 deaths per year. it's a quote from 1999 to 2011.
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1300 people have died from this. while the pictures are pretty and it's funny to joke about it, it's a deadly thing. susan candiotti, appreciate your work. she's been outside, by the way, since 4:00 this morning. big appreciation to you doing the assignment. chad myers, on the other hand, you get to do your weather live shots from inside. here's what i want to ask you and i don't know how well you're going to know this with all of the fancy terms that i've been learning, just tell me if this is going to pass any time soon. >> we get warm again on tuesday. it's a very cold weekend in store but it warms up. and then it gets cold again at the end of next weekend. it's this up and down pattern. when the jet stream goes up and you're under that up, you get warm. when the jet stream goes down and you're under that low down here as it is called a trough, that's when you get cold because the arctic air pours down like
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it does in montreal. it's warmed up to a windchill of 19 in the city. but i'll tell you what, with the wind blowing through the city streets and into some of the wind tunnel eye effects, it feels colder than that. another shot of cold air. there you go. right there for you just on the map. winnipeg, 39 below. as we learned yesterday, that would be 39 below farenheit and celsius. we've had temperatures in the 80s across the desert southwest. but by tuesday the jet stream changes and this is what i was talking about when you're on this side of the jet stream, you are cold. when you're on this side of the jet stream you get warm. finally the warmup comes through but it's a progressive pattern. so you have to watch what you ask for.
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another shot of cold air, that's always the way it works, and then this time they have been digging down farther to the south. big record cold across europe as well. we'll talk about that in the next hour. obviously deaths into europe as well and they are used to this cold air but when it's this cold everywhere, people can't get out of the way. people think they can save money because this is now costing a lot of money to heat the host but the kerosene heaters and propane heaters need to be very careful in the garage or wherever. >> and don't sit in your car in the garage to warm it up, too. and i tell you what, you put minus 39 for my home town and can i just tell you, chad, after many, many trips to school in the morning at minus 39, it doesn't feel a lot different than minus 20. it's so horrible any way you slice it. >> it blows right through you. when you buy a coat in the south
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is is not like buying a coat in winnipeg. the wind can't get through. here in the south, it goes in one side and out the other. >> we call them parkas. and i tell you what, they are awesome and i have them here. thank you for the explanation on the arctic oscillation. it's nice to know why it's happening. chad, thank you. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. our financial advice is geared specifically
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well, the glass ceiling in the military is about to be shattered. a short time from now the defense secretary -- current defense secretary on his way out, leon panetta, is about to make a historic announcement. women will be allowed in combat roles. some critics say it could damage or weaken the military. joining us is gail. she has an article out today in "the daily beast" and alongside gail is a veteran who filed a lawsuit with the aclu and other
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pea petitioners that combat exclusion is unfair. with this announcement, you and your colleagues who have sued the department of defense, does this negate the lawsuit? is it gone? is what you are about to hear enough? >> well, that is certainly something that we're going to be continuing to look at as the policy -- or the lack of policy unfolds and implementation is started. but we're still in a wait and see pattern, cautiously optimistic about the latest development in this. >> staff sergeant hunt, you're a purple heart? you were awarded the purple heart. you were injured by an ied in iraq, you had a tour in iraq and afghanistan. you were not officially in a combat role but you sort of smacked the bloody windshield like many of your male colleagues. do you see the critics' point of view that somehow, someone of
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your build and i'm talking about averages here, may not be as qualified to keep the military at a level that some say it needs to be at when you're in those circumstances? >> well, i would say that women have been demonstrating for the past 11 years during these conflicts that they are able and willing to execute the missions that are put before them and that, you know, the military -- in the military, soldiers come of all shapes and sizes and background, including the male soldiers and everyone manages to complete their mission no matter what their physical capabilities are of cross genders. >> gail, i want to bring you in. those who fight for the suit, fight for full citizenship, the right to defend your country, are often taken on right at the source by people like jeb, the former u.s. deputy undersecretary of defense who
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has written very scathingly about this moves, mincing no words saying this will destroy the military. he points to a number of reasons. it will break the spirit of our warriors, it will reduce the qualifications because clearly men are stronger than women. you can't fight biology. lives and battles will be lost and then goes on to say something wild, but submarines will become loveboats and military wives don't like that. this is a legitimate feeling among those who criticize this move. >> i think you have to look at where this came from. this came from within the military and if you look at the letter that the joint chiefs chairman sent to secretary panetta, what he said is this is
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a talent issue. this is not about changing standards. it's about allowing people who meet the standards to serve. right now the opposite was the case. even if you could meet the requirements, you couldn't serve because of your gender. so i think that, plus the reality of what these last decades of war have been for most people, you've been in afghanistan. there is no front line. women have been fighting, serving, and dying even alongside special forces. i think what this is doing is matchmaking policy with reality on the ground. >> gayle, you mentioned special forces. sergeant hunt, you think that women should be special opps, that she should be navy s.e.a.l.s? >> i think women have the capability to put forth the effort to accomplish any mission that the military set before
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them and take full advantage of any opportunity that the military gives them so i would definitely be excited to see those career paths opened up to my female counterparts. >> sergeant hunt, thank you for your service. i don't know if people tell that you when you do these interviews or when you're in the court, but thank you for your service but we're proud of you for your purple heart and what you've done for us. gayle, good to talk to you as well. >> thank you. >> we're back right after this. cash rewards credit card. earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. [ both ] 2% back on groceries. [ all ] 3% on gas. no hoops to jump through. i earn more cash back on the things i buy the most. [ woman ] it's as easy as... one! -two. -[ all ] three! [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards credit card. apply online or at a bank of america near you.
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so the girlfriend was fake. the girlfriend's car crash, her cancer, her death never happened. but manti te'o insists that his pain was real. real. the notre dame standout and runner i for this year's heisman has been opening up to katie couric about a scam that he says he admits he kept alive for weeks even after learning that the girl lennay ka cue wa wasn't dead and probably never, ever lived in the first place. as for manti te'o's own personal legend -- >> i think for me, the only thing that i basked in is i had an impact on people.
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that people will turn to me and -- for inspiration. and i think that was the only thing i focused on. my story, i felt, was a guy who in times of hardship and in times of trial really, you know, held strong to his faith, held strong to his family and i thought that that was my story. >> even if that hardship was perhaps exaggerated? >> no. what i went through was real. the feelings, the pain, the sorrow, that was all real. >> it's weird. that's for sure. there's even more to this story. every day there's a weird twist, there's a really weird twist. even a guy who has a multi-year romance on the line and on the phone need to have a face to look at, right? and here's the face. manti te'o fell in love with this face but it belongs to a woman named diane omera.
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diane went to school with a young man who reportedly engineered this whole hoax, a man who has fessed up and apologized. >> he reached out to me two days before the story broke and realized he was stalking my profile for five years, and taking my photos. >> five years? >> he created this identity that was not me. it was lennay kekua. >> ronaiah tuiasosopo's lawyer
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says it was a young man on the phone faking the voice of lennay and here's what the lawyer said. this wasn't a prank to make fun. it was a person trying to reach out and communicate and have a relationship again. that's milton grimes, the lawyer for ronaiah tuiasosopo. now i'm going to tell you the most jaw-dropping stuff about all of this. this stuff goes on all the time. the mark, the person like manti te'o, can lose a lot more than their pride. cnn's deb feyerick talked to an expert about it. >> reporter: as crazy as it sounds, what happened to notre dame player manti te'o happens every day. >> doctors, lawyers, law enforcement, i mean, people who
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are really smart. >> reporter: private investigator dawn richie says she has spoken to hundreds of men and women who get conned after falling deeply in love online. >> reporter: what are they hoping for? >> the scammer just knows how to pull them into it. >> reporter: it's called catfishing, the term popularized by the 2010 film "catfish" who has an online love affair with a woman who does not exist. it starts with one e-mail, one text, one phone call and in perhaps manti te'o's case, for years. >> he fell in love with a fictional character. just a thought. a fantasy in his head. >> reporter: richie believes te'o is like many of her clients, the target of a cruel
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hoax. >> the bottom line is, there's money. they will always ask for money. >> reporter: richie says she's had clients pay tens and thousands of dollars pay outstanding gifts or buy expensive gifts like jewelry. te'o told espn he never gave money to his girlfriend but admits she wanted to send money to him and asked for his checking account number. he refused to give it. >> it's very hard for people to accept the fact that this person doesn't exist. nothing's going to match up. phone numbers aren't going to match up, addresses aren't going to match up. you can send me to an address and it's not going to be the person. >> reporter: in most cases, once the money dries up, the scammer disappears. in manti te'o's case, his girlfriend faked the death. >> my clients are truly embarrassing to what has happened to them. they don't want to talk to their friends, their family.
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this one comes from a you've probably seen it coming. getting hit with a class-action lawsuit, armstrong's book, great
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rating about battling back from cancer to become the world's best cyclist was based on lies and deception and now people want their money back if they bought the book and believed it. it's not about the vice. it's about the dope. the chances of getting your 2995 punitive damages. a lot of people so inspired. oprah even said so in this interview. he saved lives with some of his words. could you really have suffered so many damages? he may have saved your life but you're not really depressed? >> it's inspirational and want the world to know how they overcame adversity. as a result of that, people should be able to rely on the representations in the book. if you pedal it as an actual story about your life, about your history and overcoming all
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odds, readers have a right to rely upon that and if it's really fiction and not fact, pay up. >> can you be entitled to spend damages, punitive or -- >> you know what happened, as we look at law we look to precedent. that's what happened previously. you might remember james fray, james frey before. >> a million little pieces. >> oprah was in on that one, too. >> ultimately he had to come clean. he talked about his addiction and overcame it and when it was found that it was all false, the publishers set aside a pot of money and people who wanted a refund got the money back. they spent like $30,000 in refund and had a pot of millions so gave the rest to charity and, of course, legal fees. >> it's more about the principle than getting your $29.95 back. the fact that this thing was pedalled on amazon, that's communication, that's using wires.
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is there a wire fraud of any kind here? lance armstrong asked to you buy something over the international or wire so you're paying for a lie. >> i think this is more civil in nature. i don't think we can see it civilized. yes, he made misrepresentations but it didn't amount to a crime. i don't think the justice department will be looking at this. i think a lot of other people will to get their money back. >> i'll be curious to see how many people jump on board the class action suit and how much it actually costs and the publisher, by the way. >> of course. >> not just lance. a couple of people are going to have to pay up. >> joey, don't go anywhere. there's this case that we found, very disturbing, very troubling, and also really fascinating. a woman convicted of drowning her own child. murder. you would think, right? maybe not so much. she's just been released. she was only in prison for three years? we're going to find out why and you might be really upset about it.
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well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking. you've mastered monkey-style kung fu? no. priceline is different now. you don't even have to bid. master hahn taught you all that? oh, and he says to say (translated from cantonese) "you still owe him five bucks." your accent needs a little work. i don't know about you, but i often watch the super bowl because of the commercials. this year, the 30-second spots are going to cost upwards of $4 million. 30 seconds, $4 million. advertisers know the pregame warmup is just as important as the big show. they are producing something new to me today. i never heard this term before.
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teaser ads. teaser ads that tease you towards the ads in the big game. we all love the ads. christine romans is joining me. it's a brand-new phenomena and it's no joke. >> that's right. they are trying to get to you talk about and think about their ads that are coming up. they are paying all of that money for the actual big game day but they want you talking about it on social media ahead of time. we'll show you one. the taco bell teaser ad, let's watch. ♪ >> it is meant to, you know, get you to talk about it, pass it around. these are only online. a lot of people are doing them.
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there was a vw one that came out. they are trying to get to you talk about the ads -- that's not the ad maybe that's going to be out on super bowl but that's an ad for the ad that will be out on super bowl. >> not one brand or image anywhere. it can be that tricky. so the one that caught -- look, it caught my attention, it caught literally everyone i know attention. this secret model, kate upton, a supermodel, is washing a car. ♪ >> you missed a spot.
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>> of course, pretty girls sell cars. >> she's not washing a car. >> beautiful women sell cars and beer and this year is no exception. so -- >> but here's what i want to know. might it have been an exception. i'm not sure i want my exceptio? i'm not so sure i want my 5-year-old to see that. >> the fact you said critique. they want us to be talking about it. that is how they get the buzz. the new part of this is social media is changing. you pay $3 million for your 30 seconds in the game. now you are trying to use youtube and your company website and us and people and facebook to send this stuff around. >> i got to go but after the super bowl i want you to talk about how many eye balls saw the commercials online. it's a deal. you're locked in. back after this.
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a california woman who went to jail for killing her own child is now a free woman and it was only three years between trial and out with the general population. what is unbelievable is the reason that officials said she could be released. jennifer bigham was pronounced not guilty. she did go to prison. that is a bit weird. the very same doctors who testified in court that she was insane at the time of the murders came back to be testified that she should be released and that she is now well again and officially cured. defense attorney back with me now. while many people would be shocked to hear that --
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>> including us. >> that is the system. if you are not guilty by reason of insanity you are no murderer. you are sick. if you can get well you can be back among the living. >> that is exactly what it is. remember what happens when you commit a crime you have to have the mental state to do that. drowning your child you would say is an intentional act. insanity is the inability to distinguish right from wrong because of your mental capacity at the time. you get evaluated. once you are evaluated, once doctors determine that you are now sane, you are not a danger to yourself or the community you get released. >> a lot of people are surprised that the same doctors who argued in court that she was insane came back to say she is no longer insane. they do try in these kinds of
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procedures to get the same doctors to come back and say we worked with this woman. we know the progress and we know that she has come through it and the testimony is important of those first doctors. >> 100%. it makes it more credible because these are the doctors who are treating and assessed her mental state and whether she was lucid, logical and rational. those doctors say things have changed. she has gotten better. she has gotten the treatment that she needed but they are the ones to clear her. >> it is not often that the good man and i are stumped. one thing that stumped us is that not guilty by reason of insanity does not mean you go get a burger. it means you go to an institution to be made well again, usually some kind of a psychiatric institution. this judge sent her to prison. >> he did send her to prison. even if it is prison you can get
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the type of treatment that you need. so what the argument is that although she was in jail she got the treatment and got better and now she is able to be released amongst us. look for the prosecution to contravert with experts saying she is a danger. >> they are already appealing. she cannot be tried again. >> as to whether she should remain in or go out. andreaiates who killed her five children, two trials and the second one deemed not guilty by reason of insanity i recall someone saying she will never, ever get out. >> ultimately doctors will evaluate her and determine whether she has made progress. that's our system of justice. >> like it or hate it. great to see you. thank you. [ female announcer ] imagine skin so healthy, it never gets dry again.
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